I thought some of the people in this tribe might enjoy this blog - I offer it up with the caveat that it won't to be to the tastes of all the participants here. It's very much a neuroscience blog geared towards hard science, skepticism and critical thinking.
www.theness.com/neurologic...g/index.php
www.theness.com/neurologic...g/index.php
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Re: a neuroscience blog
Sun, February 17, 2008 - 12:30 PMGood blog. Thanks for the reference. -
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Re: a neuroscience blog
Sun, February 17, 2008 - 1:31 PMYeah, thanks! I was tickled to see the current entry deals with a neurological version of the intelligent design "debate", with mind-brain dualism standing in for Sky Daddies tweaking eyes and wings; last term I wrote my final paper for Philosophy of Science on the logical and ethical deficiencies of ID. -
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Re: a neuroscience blog
Mon, February 18, 2008 - 9:40 AMKai and torroid - Glad you both enjoyed it. I find the writing very clear and concise, and the topics very relevant.
There was an interesting article about the idea of design in nature in science daily today that makes a good argument for science reclaiming the idea of design (not in terms of nature being designed by a higher power us such but as in how our design is influenced by evolutionary foces...so "design" without the "intelligent" part in simplistic terms).
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Re: a neuroscience blog
Mon, February 18, 2008 - 11:24 PMFifi, Interesting article. The design in nature argument makes complete sense. Things found in nature, and the physical and biological level, are not just random, but follow patterns, and those patterns had to come about someone. What I don't buy is the ID camp swallowing this design in nature argument, because the crux of it seems to hinge on who/what did the design. No? -
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Re: a neuroscience blog
Tue, February 19, 2008 - 12:05 PMThere is an inherent problem with using the word design - though some of us can resist the implication that there must be a designer where there is "design", those with a theistic, teleological (assumming that history, nature, whatever, is headed towards a goal) bent are not inclined to.
Inherent in the word itself is the idea of a pre-existing concept, a plan, a blueprint, when what actually happens in nature is that a whole lot of different, impersonal environmental survival pressures on organisms, coupled with random genetic mutations, select the fittest of those mutations; Those organisms that, having survived, out-reproduce others, end up passing along the results of that ad hoc adaption to their descendants, and in hindsight it just looks like it was designed.
The process has only one random element within the organism - genetic mutation (the contingencies of environmental factors, e.g., a river flood that drowns a population, can be considered random, sure, but that's outside the organisms); the rest of the process is highly orderly. It has an inexorable logic driving it, a logic derived entirely from the workings of the laws of nature, working from the ground up, so to speak, from the level of atoms and molecules to larger and larger scales, until you get to the ecosystem level. But there is no advance planning, no forethought, no pre-conceiving of a desired result by any sort of consciousness; hence no "design" in the strict sense of the word.
"Design" is a handy shorthand for "solution that arose incrementally and unplanned in response to challenges to survival." But that's using it in a very loose fashion, so loose that it's almost immediately misleading to a careless listener.
"Design" in nature differs from actual design not least in its massive inefficiency; no sentient designer in his or her right mind would go about making anything in the manner in which nature "designs" living organisms. It takes too long (for any such sentient beings; nature has, if not all the time in the world, plenty of time within the stable "lifespan" of our sun, its main energy source) and most of the experiments are discarded. Extremely wasteful way to go about "designing."
There was a good article in the Guardian recently on this topic:
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Re: a neuroscience blog
Tue, February 19, 2008 - 12:10 PMKai - Thanks, good points. Your input is always so well considered. I'll check out the link.
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Re: a neuroscience blog
Tue, February 26, 2008 - 1:44 PMmoving increasingly OT but down the design route, there have been a few articles recently in the New Scientist and items on BBC radio 4 science programmes about the anthropomorphic principle and the unlikelyhood of a universe fit for life and consciousness. One interesting one was "Laying down the laws" (Paul Davies. New Scientist. London: Jun 30-Jul 6, 2007. Vol. 194, Iss. 2610; pg. 30) in which he talks about aspects of quantum mechanics that not only does the observer get to determine, for example, if an observed photon is a wave or a particle, but that the effect is applies retrospectively, altering the nature of history... history is fluid dependant on obervation
"So how can this backward-in-time feature of quantum mechanics explain the bio-friendliness of the universe? Well, obviously we can rule out from the multiplicity of quantum histories any that don't lead to life, because that would conflict with the basic fact of our own existence. However, in the standard quantum cosmology advocated by Hawking, all of the alternative histories, without exception, conform to exactly the same laws of physics. So while a photon travelling from a source to a screen can take many different paths, the actual laws of motion that govern its path remain the same whichever route it takes.
Wheeler's idea was more radical. He claimed that the existence of life and observers in the universe today can help bring about the very circumstances needed for life to emerge by reaching back to the past through acts of quantum observation. It is an attempt to explain the Goldilocks factor by appealing to cosmic self-consistency: the bio-friendly universe explains life even as life explains the bio-friendly universe."
Kinda kookie, but fun... almost teleogical but without the standard time arrow :-) -
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Re: a neuroscience blog
Wed, February 27, 2008 - 11:13 AM<"...in which he talks about aspects of quantum mechanics that not only does the observer get to determine, for example, if an observed photon is a wave or a particle, but that the effect is applies retrospectively, altering the nature of history... history is fluid dependant on obervation ">
Does that mean that if we all pitch in and make a concerted effort, we can retroactively make the creation story in Genesis become literally true? -
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Re: a neuroscience blog
Thu, February 28, 2008 - 9:32 PM(Anyone with a short attention span can skip this. It's as long as I need it to be, and really kinda short compared to average undergrad academic papers dealing with subjects of similar complexity.)
LOL - I really must subscribe to that magazine. (They don't let you read it online.) I'd like to see the letters from physicists that come in for this one!
Even not having read it yet, I can say it seems to contradict experimentally proven aspects of spacetime theory, which is quite deterministic - past present and future are relative to the observer: for his or her "present", each observer sees different sets of simultaneous events from other observers; each is seeing a different slice of 4-dimensional spacetime. So, past, present and future all exist; the "worldtube" of every object in the universe exists throughout its timeline, not just at the present. It's "already there" in the future, and still exists in the past, so to speak. Its entire history is given. (Read Herman Minkowski and Arthur Eddington as well as Einstein, if you don't want to take my word for it. Yes, it means that free will, *as we think of it*, is an illusion.) It's radical, yes, but relativity, both special and general, *has* been shown to be valid by experiments. (Our understanding still hasn't really caught up with the radical philosophical implications of relativity, a hundred years later.) If the state of the universe, in all its parts, then, is given, then how can you retroactively change it?
So my reaction, too, is that this changing the world retroactively is absurd (somehow observation of probabilistic quantum events gets expanded into a general quasi-psychokinetic or psychomorphic "wish and it will be [or was] so" power?), and must be based on some fundamental misunderstanding of
a) the relationship between observation of quantum events and the fundamental physical laws of the universe. How is it that observing a photon (or other particle) can affect things like Planck's constant or the speed of light or *any* of the conditions that are the basis for our "Goldilocks" universe?
b) the role of observation in quantum mechanics itself. The bit about "the observer get to determine, for example, if an observed photon is a wave or a particle" sounds pretty dodgy. From everything I've studied, observation has nothing to do with resolving the wave-particle duality, only with fixing the location of a photon at a given moment, the moment of observation; it is a wave *until* an observation is made. The wave is the unobserved state. That's not really choosing to make it a wave or particle; no action or observation of any sort by an observer "makes" it a wave. The observer can only "make" it a particle. But even if I don't quite have that right - Feynman's warning that "if you think you understand quantum mechanics, you haven't" applies, perhaps - there's another problem:
c) the relationship between quantum level events and the macroscopic realm of "classical" (non-quantum) laws, i.e., the relativistic 4-dimensional spacetime of the universe or multiverse. Observations affecting events at the quantum level have nothing to do with events at higher levels (molecules, complex biochemicals, cells, organisms, etc. on up.) To illustrate this I offer a quote from my philosophy of science professor's book Relativity and the Nature of Spacetime ( www.amazon.ca/Relativity-...p/3540238891 ):
"The irrelevance of the quantum mechanical argument for the debate over the nature of spacetime is perhaps best seen from the fact that you are able to read this text. The equations of motion govern the behaviour of quantum objects at the microscopic level, where electrons, protons, neutrons, atoms. etc., live. All these entities act in accordance with the probabilistic laws of quantum mechanics. However, when the quantum mechanical equations of motion are applied at the macroscopic level, according to Bohr's correspondence principle, they should coincide with the classical equations of motion. In the case of spacetime this means that no matter how the constituents of the worldline of a given object behave - deterministically or probabilistically - it will not affect the shape of the worldline. To illustrate this situation better, consider the letters of the text you are reading. Each letter consists of billions of electrons, protons, etc., whose behaviour is probabilistic. If the probabilistic nature of quantum mechanics were also manifested at the macroscopic level (the level of the letters on this page), then all letters would also behave in a probabilistic manner - constantly changing their shape and jumping around."
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Re: a neuroscience blog
Sun, March 16, 2008 - 7:03 PMKaï,
In your post you have put your finger on a fundamental issue, namely that quantum theory and (general) relativity don't mix. At the math level, it all blows up. At the conceptual level, it doesn't make sense in the way you point out. That's what is interesting about it. -
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Consistent Quantum GR
Sun, March 16, 2008 - 10:37 PMActually in the 1990's Lee Smolin ans others did demonstrate an exact solution of the
De Witt & Wheeler equations of quantum gravity that didn't have the mathematical
inconsistencies of previous solutions. A lot of weird stuff results,
like spacetime being quantized by area, not volume.
The stuff about delayed observation is called the EPR (Einstein Podolsky Rosen) paradox,
which see,
in which a particle decays into 2 oppositely moving particles with opposite spin direction,
so that a measurement very far away of the spin of one particle "determines" the spin
of the other at a spacelike (non-causal) distance.
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Re: Consistent Quantum GR
Sun, March 16, 2008 - 11:13 PM> like spacetime being quantized by area, not volume.
That smells of the holographic principle. Or is that exactly it? -
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Not the "holographic principle"
Mon, March 17, 2008 - 7:56 AMwhich is not a scientific principle at all, especially
regarding the structure and function human brain, which is orders of magnitude more complex
than a hologram, even in subregions like memory.
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Re: a neuroscience blog
Mon, March 17, 2008 - 5:48 AM"altering the nature of history... history is fluid dependant on obervation ">
Ah, well, this is where they always go wrong when messing with postmodern theory and trying to make it have bastard babies with their misunderstanding of how the observational instrument affects observation. So many misunderstandings, so little time....relatively speaking...
Voodoo - "Does that mean that if we all pitch in and make a concerted effort, we can retroactively make the creation story in Genesis become literally true?"
Only if you have faith.....
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